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Tuesday, January 10th, 2006
10:01 am
[mvalley]
Bruce R McConkie and food faddists
There are herb and spice fanatics, home school fanatics, and food fanatics. Dont know if fanatics or not but use there perception of church teachings to justify there personal beliefs. Including lds vegetarians.
I was reading the Bio of Bruce R McConkie written by his son Joseph Fielding McConkie and at a stake conference one time some food faddist cornered him and said there was a ham and chocolate problem in that stake too many people ate those things. He said that problem is more widespread than you think. Why just last thursday after our weekly meeting with the first presidency and quorom of the twelve we were served both ham and chocolate for lunch.
He railed on wow fanatics in modoc.
Saturday, September 10th, 2005
1:36 pm
[mvalley]
email I recieved from lds vegetarian. Offered me a book. Here is the email.
I read it online. There are many good lds people that work with animals. I won't buy the book. Could get it for free though. I won't take it. ON my mission tracted into a vegetarian. Gave the standard argumentsanimals cant help it plants are not able to feel pain and on and on. here is email I got. http://b103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-ben/getmsg?msg=73b61050-CFA3-44e1-bc88-773a280FD758&start=0len=15
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005
10:08 pm
[mvalley]
an email of more false doctrine and bearing false witness against your neighbor from ldsveg.org
www.tomrodgers.org has all kinds of false d and opinion. We are going to live longer and healthier by eating meat. If that is the case why are there plenty of people that live a long life that eat meat. Our stomach is designed to eat meat and there is no evidence that vegetarians live longer than omnivorous humans.
Friday, August 19th, 2005
10:54 pm
[mvalley]
Scriptural justification for eating meat.
Note what i write here is my opinon alone and does not necassarily reflect rhe opinions of the lds church its members or leaders. I bear full responsiblity for what I write.Scriptures can get turned around for what someone has chosen to support. I never once heard in a general or stake conference talk or sacrament meeting or sunday school or priesthood lesson or seminary or institute class that we should not eat. I doubt any other of the 12million people have either. Someone said they are too busy with other things to tell us to watch our diet. I think the reason is it is not church doctrine and unlike coffee tea tobbacco or alcohol how much meat we consume will not effect our eternal salvation. Here is scriptural support of meat.
1 Timothy 4 1 through 4 Now the spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, gibing heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of deviles. (pretty strong right here)2 Speaking lies in hupocrisy having their conscience seared with a hot iron 3 forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of themwhcih believe and know the truth.4 for every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be recieved with thanksgiving.
So here is a doctrine that we should eat meat or dont push vegetarianism or say it should be practiced down our throats.
Doctrine and Covenants. 49 18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats that man should not eat the same is not ordained of God. For behold the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air and that which cometh of the earth is ordained for the use of man for food and for rainment "clothing" that he might have in abundance. So much we feed grain to livestock that could go to starving people. Governments and way of life cause much starving not farmers giving grain to livestock. Besides much of what livestock eat is either on land not suitable for farming or things like hay and corn stalks and straw that humans cannot eat. Where would it go. if cattle and sheep did not eat it. Much of there manure provides fertilizer as well that causes plants to grow. so they do give us food in abundance.
Here is more scriptures supporting eating meat. Section 89 of the doctrine and covenants. verse 12 Yea Flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I the Lord have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; neverthertheless they are to be used sparingly. (with thanksgiving those that know what it is like to put a pig in or milk a cow know what that is talking about. 13 And it is pleasing unto me that they shound not be used, only times of winter, or of cold or of famine.
Modern refigeration was not avialable then. So for obvious reasons we know why winter. It is not against our religion to enjoy a 4th of july roast. And here is another scripture 14 talking about grains and beasts. 14 all grain is ordained for the use of man and beasts, to be the staff of life not only for man but for the beasts of the field and the fowl of heaven and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth. 15 is the kicker. And there hath God made for the use on man only in times of famine or excess of hunger. President Benson in an article about keeping the sabbath day holy said hunting animals that are intended for famine and hunger should be avoided on the sabbath. Right there that seems to say that wild animals are only to be used in times of famine and not cattle, sheep, pigs, or chickens or other animals raised for that purpose.
I myself am not a hunter though I don't mind people that do. Too cold for me in Idaho. The church has no stand on hunting either it is up to the individual to decide. Seems like my interpretation though of that scripture is are meat is to be primarily domestic animals raised for that purpose and not wild animals. That is all the lamanites did what they lived off for a long time. MAny of them until lamonis day. Enos went hunting for pleasure and maybe for food though they raised flocks. Many good lds people also enjoy it as a favorite pasttime. As long as you use the animals for food there is nothing wrong with it though you shouldn't kill to waste.
I am pretty sure people ate meat before the flood though some say otherwise. We know people sacrificed animals before the flood. Here is scripture afet the floor Genesis 9 It talked about fear of humans coming upon animals. verse 3 says Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 says but flesh with the life thereof which is the blood thereof shall ye not eat. Clean the blood don't eat it. That talked about eating animals. That talks about eating animals there. 49 of the d and c says wo unto him that wasteth flesh that has no need.
From Noah to Moses they could eat any animal and from Peter on we could. However Leviticus 11 and Deuteronmy 14 gave rules of what to eat. That was the dietary law of moses. May have been an obedience test as much as anything. Obedience is the first law of heaven. Those scriptures say it is ok to eat animals if they have divided hoofs and chew there cud. So cattle and sheep you could eat because they did both. Pigs don't chew there cud so you cant eat them. Or camels or hare because they didnt divide there hoof. I donot know the health benefit of it as much as obedience was why they did it though Daniel had some health benefits to it then.
For water they could eat what had scales meaning fish but not octupuses or clams. They could eat the clean fowls. Gave a list of what they couldnt. may of been able to eat chickens could eat most chickens.
We do believe in Modern revelation however some jews Peter included had a hard time giving up the law of moses particulary diet restrictions. In Acts chapter 10 starting at 13 started telling him to eat unclean things things like pigs lobster and rabbits. He was reluctant. it was symol took him three vereses to relent. Was hesitant. So was Nephi. Three times. It was to take the gospel to the gentiles. But that was a command to kill and eat right there. He was the prophet. That is scriptural justification for eating meat. 2nd peter said too that scripture is not for private interpretation.
There are times when it is justifiable to kill animals. For food and in cases of pests like insects of to protect a farmers crops. Those are justifiable times to kill them. Maybe euthanise a pet that is going to die anyway to put it out of its pain. However I would not kill for sport to kill.
There are also several modern church leaders that justify eating meat. Bruce R McConkie mormon doctrine talking about the word of wisdom saying what not to take is alcohol coffee tea tobbacco. Talked about unstable people being cranks with this law and said there is no prohibition among other things eggs; milkn meat or anthing else except items classified. As a matter of fact I already quoted the scriptures that say those that command not to eat meat are not ordained of God such being listed by Paul as an evidence of apostasy. That is why God created meats to be recieved with thanksgiving.
If some parricular food or drink disagrees with an individual then that person should act accordingly without referent to the prohibitions in this particular law of health. He also talked about fanatics in Modoc saying some will evesn say the wow say we shouldnt eat milk, eggs and cheese. Meat was not mentioned there.
Joseph Smith mentioned that Abel;s sacrifice was accepted because it was done like it was supposed to. Teachings 58 a similutitude of the death of the son. I am not aware of anyone sacrificing fruit before that. Joseph and Mary the stepfather and mother of Jesus offered sacrifices too. Nephites and Jaredites did as well. I dont know if the Nephites after christ though in doctrinal new testament commentary Mcconkie said it was harder for them to let go of the law of moses than the nephites. I am not sure if they ate pigs they may have had they been available. Lehi probably did not bring them over though.
If you go to the Gospel Library at www.lds.org and look up or at random church talks there are many that say to have cows and chickens when possible by prophets. We use them for food. doctrine and Covenants 59 16 says the fulness of beasts are ares to gladden the heart and pleasen the eye 16 talks about the beasts of the field and fowls of the air. It pleaseth God to give us those things and wants us to be thankful for them as well. Ingratitude is a sin.
Revelation can only come through properly appointed channels and saints that say we should not eat meat are latter day aints I think. I had a hard time linking conference talks here but some can be found. Joseph B Wirthlin said the lord has revealed everything neccesary for our salvation. Think of how confusing it would be if everyone received revelation for what the prophet (did not have time to tell us) The lords house is a house of order and not a house of confusion. some lds vegetarian felt the prophet did not have time to tell us not to eat meat so she would.
Here is a the talk By elder ballard that may refer to people that impose there vegetarian views on us. http://www.desnews.com/cn/cnf/view/0,2141,6000347,00.htm He says dont accept anything authoritive that does not come from who we sustain and some false prophets may be those that claim church endorsement for there products or practices. I seen others herb people and people that justify disobeying the law they think is unjust. Bo Gritz followers.
Here is another one. We are not supposed to write to the church. Someone did and President Monson said the church does not have a policy on some things it;s up to the individual. http:www.desnews.com/confer/97fall/talks/op0vstz.htm Section 58 of the doctrine and covenants vs 26 and 27 it is not meet to be commanded in all things but to be anciently engaged in a good cause. Animal welfare may or may not be a good cause. But it is not church doctrine what many of the ldsveg people espouse. Some may be against it.
What would the animals eat if everything went to humans and were would that extra grass and shrubs not suitable for human consumption go if it did not get eaten. Catlle and sheep grazing have prevented many a range fire by stomping eating and keeping fire causing grass down.
Joseph B Wirthlin worked at a retail business that operated a lot of meat. I thing he was the go between his business between the butcher and factories and grocery stores. Neal A Maxwell grew hogs. What did he do sell them and eat them. Many General and Area Authorities, Mission and Temple presidents Stake presidents bishops are ranchers, butchers , meatpackers and otherwise employed in businesses that kill animals for food. The church for commercial and welfare purposes owns several ranches and meatpacking plants. A church that opposed it wouldn't do that. many early church leaders grew up were they raised and killed there livestock for food. I have ate livestock chickens and pigs I helped raise myself. We won't go vegan tell the millenium at least.
A question asked would the lord want us to eat the flesh of animals or consume there ove or drink there fluids milk or eat products made from them. That quesion based on scriptures is a definite yes that is what they are here for. Who cares that other species dont drink milk from other species besides domestic animals humans give it too. We are not other species. We are children of God not creations. Jesus was not a man like us but deity who inherited mortal qualities from mary and came down and subjected himself to hunger fatigue heat and cold and worked like we do to get what he needed though he had power to do it the easy way. He gave us plants and animals and there products honey milk and eggs for our use. He had a distinc relationship from us contrary to what someone says.
I wonder if those people with what a few farmers and slaughterhouses do are bearing false witness against there neighbor and using what would Jesus do taking his name in vain.
Some people have health problems caused by meat. Then again some do caused by flour and sugar. Individuals should act accordingly that is not universal talk to an individual doctor. I doubt too many church leadrs are vegetarians enjoy meat in the cafeterai or on trips. We are going to all die anyway. however I know plenty of people that enjoy meat well into there 80's and 90's. So I dont think unless you eat too much of it it causes too many health problems or early deaths. As for me I am going to enjoy a steak pork and chicken roast. And milk cheese and we all scream for good old ice cream. www.ldsveg.org is a place to go if you want to read there stuff.
Sunday, August 14th, 2005
7:39 pm
[mvalley]
article by lds vegetarian on eating meat. will want to disect it.
http://www.ldsveg.org/kathleenFowlkes-knowtruth.htm There is nothing wrong with choosing to be a vegetarian. However this article is full of flaus. I don't have my scriptures in front of me right now but section 49 of the doctrine and covenants. 1st timothy in the new Testament and the teachings of the prophet joseph smith disagree with this person. Also M russell ballard said false prophets are those that claim church endorsement for there products and services. oct 99 general conference. If they say it is there opinion and not the churchs that is fine. However in addition to apostasy they should not say it is the churchs position. There is nothing wrong with it being there personal opinion. As long as they don't get Jesus into it. Joseph Fielding McConkie quoting Isiah sais his image would be marred than any other man. Straightforward answers to gospel questions. And that is a way to do it. Saying what would Jesus do when many times it is your personal opinion wether he would do it or not. Did a search enging for her. Could not find the article on this site.
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